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	* [[Opticians who do not do safety glasses]]		* [[Opticians who do not do safety glasses]]
	* [http://forum.mkrd.info/viewforum.php?f=5 Safety Glasses Without a Headache forum]		* [http://forum.mkrd.info/viewforum.php?f=5 Safety Glasses Without a Headache forum]

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	* [[Opticians who do not do safety glasses]]		* [[Opticians who do not do safety glasses]]
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Things that I have tried

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	1) All safety glasses designs that I could get my hands on. Some were a little better in that the eyestrain would come on later. But none were comfortable after short-term wearing.		1) All safety glasses designs that I could get my hands on. Some were a little better in that the eyestrain would come on later. But none were comfortable after short-term wearing.

	2) Safety glasses that were described to be "low-distortion". I have even tried safety glasses made from real glass and advertised to have zero distortion. The results - I could not even put them on. [[Low Distortion Glasses Example]]		2) Safety glasses that were described to be "low-distortion". I have even tried safety glasses made from real glass and advertised to have zero distortion. The results - I could not even put them on. [[Safety Glasses that do not deliver \| Low Distortion Glasses Example]]

	3) Other designs such as safety goggles. And I was laughed at. People thought I was wearing the very ugly goggles because I had nothing better to do. As you can guess, I tried goggles because they have a relatively thin and flat sheet of plastic in front. Did not work.		3) Other designs such as safety goggles. And I was laughed at. People thought I was wearing the very ugly goggles because I had nothing better to do. As you can guess, I tried goggles because they have a relatively thin and flat sheet of plastic in front. Did not work.

	4) Safety glasses described as "optically correct". I have found they are nothing to support the claim. Not any better. [[~~Optically Correct~~ Glasses ~~Example1]], [[~~Optically Correct Glasses ~~Example2~~]]		4) Safety glasses described as "optically correct". I have found they are nothing to support the claim. Not any better. [[Safety Glasses that do not deliver \| Optically Correct Glasses Example]]

	5) Glass safety glasses from an optician. That is, a frame and "zero prescription" lens bought separately. No luck.		5) Glass safety glasses from an optician. That is, a frame and "zero prescription" lens bought separately. No luck.

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	Even after the glasses were taken off, my eyes would ~~straing~~ themselves driving back home. At home, focusing at objects became a problem, with severe eye strain required to focus my eyes. Severe eyestrain was required to focus on the computer screen at home, while more distant objects were easier.		Even after the glasses were taken off, my eyes would strain themselves driving back home. At home, focusing at objects became a problem, with severe eye strain required to focus my eyes. Severe eyestrain was required to focus on the computer screen at home, while more distant objects were easier.


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	* At one place, it cost me $200 for lenses, and $100 for frames, after insurance plan discounts. To basically get curved lenses that were the same as $30 "glass" safety glasses I once bought online.		* At one place, it cost me $200 for lenses, and $100 for frames, after insurance plan discounts. To basically get curved lenses that were the same as $30 "glass" safety glasses I once bought online.
	* The reason retail ("corner pharmacy store") prescription glasses are much much cheaper than going thru an optician is because they are made of acrylic. The width between the eyes that is needed to set lenses' curvature is also not fitted to you, like all opticians do. Frames are made of plastic, lenses are made of acrylic, a poor optical quality material, and lenses are pressed into the frames by a machine, distorting the lenses due to the pressure of insertion. So, unlike what I thought before, you do not save money by trying to save in the wrong place. Do not rely on retail cheap reader's / reading glasses for more than short term wear. In terms of distortion, acrylics are not different from polycarbonate.		* The reason retail ("corner pharmacy store") prescription glasses are much much cheaper than going thru an optician is because they are made of acrylic. The width between the eyes that is needed to set lenses' curvature is also not fitted to you, like all opticians do. Frames are made of plastic, lenses are made of acrylic, a poor optical quality material, and lenses are pressed into the frames by a machine, distorting the lenses due to the pressure of insertion. So, unlike what I thought before, you do not save money by trying to save in the wrong place. Do not rely on retail cheap reader's / reading glasses for more than short term wear. In terms of distortion, acrylics are not different from polycarbonate.
	* There are no non-acrylic prescription glasses for sale (to bypass the optician), as they are individually fit for distance between the eyes and your lens prescription. There are no generic frame+lens combination like retail readers's.		* There are no non-acrylic prescription glasses for sale (to bypass the optician), as they are individually fit for distance between the eyes and your lens prescription. There are no generic frame+lens combination like retail readers'.
	* Trivex is not any more scratch resistant than polycarbonate, as it is just another type of plastic. (There was confusing information online)		* Trivex is not any more scratch resistant than polycarbonate, as it is just another type of plastic. (There was confusing information online)

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Things that I have tried

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	== Things that I have tried ==		== Things that I have tried ==

	1) All safety glasses designs that I could get my hands on. Some were a little better in that the eyestrain would come on later. But none were ~~confortable~~ after short-term wearing.		1) All safety glasses designs that I could get my hands on. Some were a little better in that the eyestrain would come on later. But none were comfortable after short-term wearing.

	2) Safety glasses that were described to be "low-distortion". I have even tried safety glasses made from real glass and advertised to have zero distortion. The results - I could not even put them on. ~~'''''~~Example~~'''''~~		2) Safety glasses that were described to be "low-distortion". I have even tried safety glasses made from real glass and advertised to have zero distortion. The results - I could not even put them on. [[Low Distortion Glasses Example]]

	3) Other designs such as safety goggles. And I was laughed at. People thought I was wearing the very ugly goggles because I had nothing better to do. As you can guess, I tried goggles because they have a relatively thin and flat sheet of plastic in front. Did not work.		3) Other designs such as safety goggles. And I was laughed at. People thought I was wearing the very ugly goggles because I had nothing better to do. As you can guess, I tried goggles because they have a relatively thin and flat sheet of plastic in front. Did not work.

	4) Safety glasses described as "optically correct". I have found they are nothing to support the claim. Not any better. ~~'''''Example 1'''''~~, ~~'''''Example 2'''''~~		4) Safety glasses described as "optically correct". I have found they are nothing to support the claim. Not any better. [[Optically Correct Glasses Example1]], [[Optically Correct Glasses Example2]]

	5) Glass safety glasses from an optician. That is, a frame and "zero prescription" lens bought separately. No luck.		5) Glass safety glasses from an optician. That is, a frame and "zero prescription" lens bought separately. No luck.




	== What do I see? ==		== What do I see? ==

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	* There are no non-acrylic prescription glasses for sale (to bypass the optician), as they are individually fit for distance between the eyes and your lens prescription. There are no generic frame+lens combination like retail readers's.		* There are no non-acrylic prescription glasses for sale (to bypass the optician), as they are individually fit for distance between the eyes and your lens prescription. There are no generic frame+lens combination like retail readers's.
	* Trivex is not any more scratch resistant than polycarbonate, as it is just another type of plastic. (There was confusing information online)		* Trivex is not any more scratch resistant than polycarbonate, as it is just another type of plastic. (There was confusing information online)


	== After I have went thru the agony... ==		== After I have went thru the agony... ==

Mkrdwiki: /* Conclusions */

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Conclusions

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	Also, I want to share happy news with you: it is possible and doable to improve your vision long-term, and get rid of glasses. This is information that no optician knows of, understands the principles of, and agrees to. You will need to do your research to convince yourself, as that is not my job, but those willing to find out will be able to find that information (you may contact me as well). ~~'''''~~Links to resources on how to cure your poor eyesight~~'''''~~.		Also, I want to share happy news with you: it is possible and doable to improve your vision long-term, and get rid of glasses. This is information that no optician knows of, understands the principles of, and agrees to. You will need to do your research to convince yourself, as that is not my job, but those willing to find out will be able to find that information (you may contact me as well). [[Links to resources on how to cure your poor eyesight]].

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	* If you are going to buy non-prescription safety lenses (a prescription of zero), that they are ASPHERIC (meaning as close to physically flat at least in front).		* If you are going to buy non-prescription safety lenses (a prescription of zero), that they are ASPHERIC (meaning as close to physically flat at least in front).
	* Do my magnification test: hold glasses in your hand, look thru them from some distance away from your eyes, and look at objects thru the glasses, while moving them around. You should not see things shrinking and enlarging thru different portions of the lenses.		* Do my magnification test: hold glasses in your hand, look thru them from some distance away from your eyes, and look at objects thru the glasses, while moving them around. You should not see things shrinking and enlarging thru different portions of the lenses.


			== So, what worked? ==

			Nothing did. my optician was researching whether safety lenses can be made aspheric, at least on the front surface (flat in front, curved in the back towards the face). For an unknown reason, he had informed me that this is not possible per the labs he was talking with. He said that NO MATERIAL (optical glass, polycarbonate, trivex, etc) could be made by labs as an aspheric lens. Of course, what I am really looking for is a flat sheet of glass, like from a window pane, cut and placed into frames. He has said that due to ANSI safety rating, with the thickness having to be a certain minimum number, none of those optical quality materials can be made into a flat sheet of material. If there are any opticians or anyone else reading this article who would know how to get a flat sheet of optical material into any kind of frames, then contact me right away.


	== Conclusions ==		== Conclusions ==

Mkrdwiki: /* After I have went thru the agony... */

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After I have went thru the agony...

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	* If you are going to buy non-prescription safety lenses (a prescription of zero), that they are ASPHERIC (meaning as close to physically flat at least in front).		* If you are going to buy non-prescription safety lenses (a prescription of zero), that they are ASPHERIC (meaning as close to physically flat at least in front).
	* Do my magnification test: hold glasses in your hand, look thru them from some distance away from your eyes, and look at objects thru the glasses, while moving them around. You should not see things shrinking and enlarging thru different portions of the lenses.		* Do my magnification test: hold glasses in your hand, look thru them from some distance away from your eyes, and look at objects thru the glasses, while moving them around. You should not see things shrinking and enlarging thru different portions of the lenses.



	== Conclusions ==		== Conclusions ==

Mkrdwiki: /* Findings from when I attempted to go thru a professional optician */

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Findings from when I attempted to go thru a professional optician

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	== Findings from when I attempted to go thru a professional optician ==		== Findings from when I attempted to go thru a professional optician ==

	* Opticians and optical shops operate on a ~~limited~~ mindset. Their only business model (forced by insurance companies to an equal degree) is to only be able to sell a limited selection of frames separately from lenses themselves. They do not carry "non-prescription" lenses as that is against their mode of operation. Trying to order no-prescription safety glasses from an optician is like going to a fancy restaurant to buy a glass of water.		* Opticians and optical shops operate on a specific mindset. Their only business model (forced by insurance companies to an equal degree) is to only be able to sell a limited selection of frames separately from lenses themselves. They do not carry "non-prescription" lenses as that is against their mode of operation. Trying to order no-prescription safety glasses from an optician is like going to a fancy restaurant to buy a glass of water.
	* There is a complex interplay between individual opticians, insurance plans, and labs that they utilize for making the lenses. I had to do a large amount of homework to call several tens of opticians only to find that they were one of the following: a) did not do safety glasses (or they did not have safety frames), b) were not covered by my insurance plan, c) only worked with polycarbonate		* There is a complex interplay between individual opticians, insurance plans, and labs that they utilize for making the lenses. I had to do a large amount of homework to call several tens of opticians only to find that they were one of the following: a) did not do safety glasses (or they did not have safety frames), b) were not covered by my insurance plan, c) only worked with polycarbonate
	* At one place, it cost me $200 for lenses, and $100 for frames, after insurance plan discounts. To basically get curved lenses that were the same as $30 "glass" safety glasses I once bought online.		* At one place, it cost me $200 for lenses, and $100 for frames, after insurance plan discounts. To basically get curved lenses that were the same as $30 "glass" safety glasses I once bought online.
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	* There are no non-acrylic prescription glasses for sale (to bypass the optician), as they are individually fit for distance between the eyes and your lens prescription. There are no generic frame+lens combination like retail readers's.		* There are no non-acrylic prescription glasses for sale (to bypass the optician), as they are individually fit for distance between the eyes and your lens prescription. There are no generic frame+lens combination like retail readers's.
	* Trivex is not any more scratch resistant than polycarbonate, as it is just another type of plastic. (There was confusing information online)		* Trivex is not any more scratch resistant than polycarbonate, as it is just another type of plastic. (There was confusing information online)




	== After I have went thru the agony... ==		== After I have went thru the agony... ==